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The John Batchelor Show

S8 Ep131: 3/4 Author Charles Burton Recounts MSS Interrogation; Details Canada's Decade of Failing to Counter Chinese Malign Activity β€” Charles Burton

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John Batchelor

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4.6 β€’ 2.7K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 27 November 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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3/4 Β Author Charles Burton Recounts MSS Interrogation; Details Canada's Decade of Failing to Counter Chinese Malign Activity β€” Charles BurtonΒ 

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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world.

0:06.9

I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Charles Burton.

0:10.4

He's in Canada.

0:13.4

He lives in Ottawa.

0:15.0

He's a member of the Synopsis Think Tech.

0:16.9

But most importantly, he's the author of a new book,

0:19.5

The Beaver and the Dragon,

0:21.7

which comes as a revelation if I read the reviews in Canada consistently, a revelation to many thoughtful

0:28.4

people who are aware that something funny has been going on for many years, and Ottawa hasn't

0:34.4

been candid about it. There are issues here that fell under the Trudeau government nine years.

0:41.4

It now continued under Mr. Carney's government just starting.

0:44.9

And they were there for Mr. Harper's government, too, but there was a change in China.

0:49.5

From Hushin Tao, who was very much a party boss, but the apparatus was not militant. It was comprehensive.

0:59.2

It was in denial. It was brutal, but it wasn't militant. It wasn't threatening its neighborhood.

1:05.8

Xi Jinping's regime, now extended in the third five-year term, is militant and aggressive, and

1:14.7

invented the wolf warrior, which is a way of China being aggressive even without a gun in its

1:21.8

hand. That gun, that aggression has been used against Canada consistently using the crude method of trade.

1:31.3

But there are also other ways of using aggression, and there are three examples.

1:37.4

One is Huawei, two is COVID-19, and three is the most recent, B-Y-D.

1:44.3

Charles Huawei was an early on signal that China did not mean to back off, and it wasn't

1:49.8

going to apologize. It's going to extend its surveillance state globally.

1:55.2

Canada reacted slowly. Why?

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