I'm John Batchew with my good colleague, Carl Burton. The book is The Beaver and the Dragon.

How China outmaneuvered continues. Canada's diplomacy, security, and sovereignty. When it comes to the

Carney government, I don't see a sharp turn here.

I see an outreach to China, and the explanation I've had so far, Charles, is it has to do with the broken down trade relations with the U.S.

However, the vulnerability remains.

Is Mr. Carney evidencing that he understands the vulnerability and we'll go ahead with

a negotiation in any event? I think what we're looking at is the Carney government has done what they

call a recalibration of relations with China and are echoing Chinese propaganda language of pragmatic and constructive.

And the other one that they use all the time is seeking common ground while setting

aside differences.

And so the implication seems to be that China will open its market to more import of Canadian commodities.

In other words, take more Canadian soybeans and less U.S. and Brazilian ones, for example,

in exchange for Canada, not challenging China on any of our concerns over security,

whether it's Chinese espionage in Canada, interference in democratic processes,

subversion of policymakers' harassment of the diaspora that don't agree with the regime,

or China's own human rights genocide in the Wager regions,

or China's empowering of third world dictators by transferring surveillance technology,

or buying off support of third world countries through the investment in the Belt and Road

program.

Canada, I think, wants to have a free trade agreement with China.

We were negotiating that under Trudeau, and the negotiations failed because Canada wanted to apply

conditionality on gender rights, labor rights, and environmental rights that China wouldn't buy. I think

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