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This is John Batchelor.

In conversation with my colleague, Bernique de Reggie, she recalled a visit to Siena and a fresco painted for the government

officials in Siena, an Italian city in Italy, in Tuscany that's known for its beauty and its food.

But this fresco was directed at a government.

On one side was a picture of good government, on the other side, bad government.

The choice was obvious in the representation of the same creatures, figures, people, attitudes,

on one side benevolent, on the other side malevolent.

Here, Baronek describes the choices we all make in government and have today, 700 years

after Ambrosio Laranzetti completed his fresco for Siena in the Palazzo Publico, the government

house. Here's Bernic. morton no i think i think we're not i mean the the whole

what's interesting in the and the good government side and the village there's a village with

with with with craftmen working and with uh people harvesting the fields and there are as you said like a couple

getting married and and and their invitees are like dancing and it's and there's peaceful and

justice is flying over the field um um and there's a sense that justice is not arbitrary and on the

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