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This is John Batchel, a conversation with Anato Levin, my colleague.

He's at the Quincy Institute about the conflict between Russia and Ukraine

and the NATO countries now weighing in for resupply and more.

The U.S. even talking about patriot missiles that give permission for Ukraine to manufacture them.

Ukraine has a sophisticated and underground industrial base, but the question here is, is there pressure on NATO to escalate, not participate as supply ship, but escalate?

Anatole answers gingerly.

Both sides are hearing from their right wing.

Kremlin, go faster, be determinative win.

And here in Brussels, NATO, go faster, be determinative win.

More of this tonight.

And I'm totally even.

Well, yes, very much so, as their statements indicate.

And indeed, I mean, they've got something from Trump this time,

you know, the agreement to allow Ukraine to make patriot missiles in Ukraine. But, you know,

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