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This is John Batchel, a conversation with Cliff May, foundation for the Defense of Democracy's founder and president, a journalist,

discussing democratic socialism, the DSA of America, and the phenomenon of socialism and

Islam, especially eagerly endorsing Islam as a government principle and socialism at the same time.

The history of this is detailed, and Cliff lays it out in his Washington Times column.

I bring up the illustration at the beginning of a very well-dressed and handsome, larger-than-life, Nassar, Abdel Nassar, at the UN in 1959, standing next to a man in a rumpled army fatigues with an untrimmed beard, talking and laughing with the gathered media around them.

Nassau looks puzzled.

Fidel Castro looks gleeful.

That's socialism and godlessness, standing next to Islam, Mohammedism, Islamism,

and a very keen understanding of developing the world of Egypt and Syria in the Middle East, in the eastern Mediterranean once upon a time.

Do they belong together?

The photograph looks uncomfortable for both.

Castro is ignoring Nassar, who's far more famous than Castro at that moment. And Nassar is puzzling what the interest is in this rumbled young man.

Cliff has money details.

Here's Cliff May on the coincidence of socialism and Islamism and nationalism standing next to each other once upon a time and answering the question, do the young people who claim to be socialist and Islam understand where the roots are and the uncomfortable fit of the roots.

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