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The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW

S5 E7 - "The First Thing to Leave Was the Fear" - Migraines, Generational Autoimmune Issues, and Self-Regulation with Justine

The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Nicole Sachs, LCSW

Alternative Health, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.92.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Today I have an incredible interview with Justine Stull. Justine is one of the admins on my Heal with Nicole and Nicole Sachs Support Circle communities. She's been with us for a few years, and she's just so wise. There's nothing like sitting with someone who has really walked through the work herself and now takes other people through with her beautiful guidance and caring comments on our pages. Today, Justine and I are going to be talking about her own chronic pain journey and all of the impactful practices she's gathered along the way - with a focus on self-compassion and self-regulation. One of my favorite things she says in the beginning is, "The first thing to leave was the fear." That's a great place to start! Enjoy this conversation filled with so many gold nuggets! XOXO n. Learn how to JournalSpeak ➡️ LEARN HOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/journalspeak⁠ For the month of OCTOBER, if you'd like a free 20 minute call with one of our coaches to see if coaching is a fit for you, click here! 1:1 COACHING WITH TRAINED COACHES SUPERVISED DIRECTLY BY NICOLE PLEASE RATE AND REVIEW THE PODCAST HERE TO HELP OTHERS FIND IT! Producer: Lisa Eisenpresser Learn more about Justine www.JustineMindBodyOT.com ~~~~~ SUPPORT: 🟠 Struggling with chronic pain? Check out my Freedom From Chronic Pain course   GET THE FIRST LESSON FREE: https://www.yourbreakawake.com/painfree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🟠  Anxiety controlling your life? Try my Freedom From an Anxious Life course  GET THE FIRST LESSON FREE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/anxietyfree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  🧠  Learn more about the brain science and clinical experiences in my book   MIND YOUR BODY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/book ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  💛  Receive support, guidance, connection, and direct access to Nicole with  MEMBERSHIP: https://www.yourbreakawake.com/membership⁠ ~~~~ THE CURE FOR CHRONIC PAIN JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON INSTAGRAM  👉   https://www.instagram.com/nicolesachslcsw⁠ SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👉   https://podfollow.com/the-cure-for-chronic-pain-with-nicole-sachs-lcsw⁠ LEARN ABOUT ANNUAL OMEGA RETREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👉   https://www.yourbreakawake.com/work-with-nicole Justine Stull is an occupational therapist living with her husband and two teens in Maryland. She has her own journey with complex trauma and mindbody symptoms. She came to this work nearly three years ago and credits it with a drastic reduction of symptoms and anxiety, and a profound, ongoing healing in her relationship with herself. She is trained in the Sarno x Sachs Solution, Pain Reprocessing Therapy, and Emotional Awareness & Expression Therapy. She is a longtime member of the JournalSpeak community and an admin of the Support Circle, where she enthusiastically walks beside those who are also dedicated to their own healing. She can also be found on social media and in her newsletter. You can find her at JustineMindBodyOT.com.  Podcast music by the beautiful and talented Danielle Furst: @musicfurst  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain podcast with me, Nicole Sacks.

0:08.3

You are here.

0:13.4

Hello, hello, my friends, how are you today?

0:16.5

This is Nicole, and you have reached my podcast, The Cure for Chronic Pain.

0:20.6

So happy to be here with you guys

0:22.4

today. Today I have an incredible interview with Justine Stelle. So Justine is one of the

0:29.5

admins on my heel with Nicole and Nicole Sack's support circle communities. She's been with me for a few

0:36.6

years. She's just so wise. There's

0:40.4

nothing like sitting with someone who has really walked through the work herself and now takes

0:48.4

other people through with her beautiful guidance and caring comments on our pages and just a person who is living this work.

0:59.4

It's wonderful.

1:00.3

It's wonderful for me.

1:01.5

We had a funny moment in the podcast where I asked Justine her opinion about something.

1:07.0

And she was like, well, like you said on the the podcast meaning she's quoting me back to me

1:12.3

and i don't even remember that i said it because these truths have become so ubiquitous they are

1:19.4

just passed back and forth with everyone i know who's doing the work and um and i feel the same way

1:25.6

about her i just think a lot of the things I see her say and comment are so wise.

1:31.7

So do come join us on the communities for all of the things that happen there.

1:36.6

Just the concept of not being alone is so wonderful.

1:40.7

So today, Justine and I are going to be talking about her own chronic pain journey.

1:45.6

One of my favorite things she says in the podcast is the first thing to go was the fear.

1:52.2

When she starts learning about this work, when she starts understanding what's been going on in her body for her whole life, because her TMS journey started in preschool,

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