S5 E7 - "The First Thing to Leave Was the Fear" - Migraines, Generational Autoimmune Issues, and Self-Regulation with Justine
The Cure for Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, LCSW
Nicole Sachs, LCSW
4.9 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 17 October 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Cure for Chronic Pain podcast with me, Nicole Sacks. |
| 0:08.3 | You are here. |
| 0:13.4 | Hello, hello, my friends, how are you today? |
| 0:16.5 | This is Nicole, and you have reached my podcast, The Cure for Chronic Pain. |
| 0:20.6 | So happy to be here with you guys |
| 0:22.4 | today. Today I have an incredible interview with Justine Stelle. So Justine is one of the |
| 0:29.5 | admins on my heel with Nicole and Nicole Sack's support circle communities. She's been with me for a few |
| 0:36.6 | years. She's just so wise. There's |
| 0:40.4 | nothing like sitting with someone who has really walked through the work herself and now takes |
| 0:48.4 | other people through with her beautiful guidance and caring comments on our pages and just a person who is living this work. |
| 0:59.4 | It's wonderful. |
| 1:00.3 | It's wonderful for me. |
| 1:01.5 | We had a funny moment in the podcast where I asked Justine her opinion about something. |
| 1:07.0 | And she was like, well, like you said on the the podcast meaning she's quoting me back to me |
| 1:12.3 | and i don't even remember that i said it because these truths have become so ubiquitous they are |
| 1:19.4 | just passed back and forth with everyone i know who's doing the work and um and i feel the same way |
| 1:25.6 | about her i just think a lot of the things I see her say and comment are so wise. |
| 1:31.7 | So do come join us on the communities for all of the things that happen there. |
| 1:36.6 | Just the concept of not being alone is so wonderful. |
| 1:40.7 | So today, Justine and I are going to be talking about her own chronic pain journey. |
| 1:45.6 | One of my favorite things she says in the podcast is the first thing to go was the fear. |
| 1:52.2 | When she starts learning about this work, when she starts understanding what's been going on in her body for her whole life, because her TMS journey started in preschool, |
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