Hello, hello, hello. Hey guys, it's Nicole back from Chicago and you have reached my podcast,

the Care for Chronic Pain with me Nicole Sachs. I was in Chicago last weekend and it was amazing, amazing, you guys, and you know who you are out there listening today.

I loved being with you guys so much. It was amazing. So Dr. Stratz and I had our event long anticipated event at the Hartwood Center in Evan's still Illinois right outside of the city.

And we about between 65 and 70 people and we just had such a wonderful weekend. I mean life changing to the point where every time I experienced this stuff it blows me away of how people are willing and able to show up and to get involved in the different activities we're doing and to I watch them changing.

I literally watched you guys changing throughout the weekend and I've heard from so many of you and I so appreciate the fact that you agree that it was incredible and transformative.

We did guided meditations together. We did group exercises. We worked together in terms of understanding where we've been and where we're going and what we're struggling with. We had an amazing powerful sharing circle at the end of each day where I watched people.

We did a great job of making a great deal of people. Be so brave and come out the other end of that bravery feeling so supported and feeling so hopeful for the future. It was just it was amazing.

So I just wanted to immediately thank you for how great it was. What a privilege. Truly hand to heart. A privilege it is to be able to do this work as part of my experience on Earth because there's nothing like seeing people.

Right. Seeing people light up with epiphany and with understanding and with connection and with support. It's really there's nothing like it.

So if indeed you are a person who did not make it to Chicago, please find a way to get to 1440 multiversity in California. I will be teaching there for five full days.

I think we did in Chicago will be way way more fleshed out because we only had a day and a half there, which was amazing. And when I say only I mean that I know that that experience was so helpful.

But when I have five days to really lay out this work to really sit in the experience of healing, it's very, very powerful.

So that is not that far in the future. April 5th through the 10th, I will be at 1440 Multiversity in Santa Cruz, California. It's an amazing incredible spa retreat.

It's like going to a fantasy world of gorgeousness and loveliness. And if you're interested in signing up for that, that will be on the retreats tab of my website, the care for chronic pain.com.

So check in and check it out and I hope to meet you there and give you a hug and help you understand that the life you save is your own and I will help you and it will be okay.

So I'm not going to delay too much. I have an amazing interview for you today. Jessica Rich is a PhD candidate and a practicing therapist in New York City in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

I came to know her through our mutual friendship with Shoshana Bean, who is very, very dear friend of mine. And she had a really upsetting debilitating case of nausea that led to panic attacks.

And that kind of situation just really diminished her life till it was almost nothing. And when I first met Jess, she was in a terrible place, really unable to ride the subway, unable to function in her day-to-day life.

And when you live in a city, you got to be able to use public transportation and even in cabs she was suffering as well. And so she's got a really interesting story of what the nervous system can do when it hangs on to something that causes you tremendous fear and how the fear can be get fear and that fear can be get symptoms, which lead to more fear.

So even if nausea and panic are not your problem, it is the same as any sort of chronic body pain. It is the same as fibromyalgia. It is the same as chronic migraine, although these things show up differently in our bodies and although they are all capital R real.

They are real. No one's making it up. Jess's debilitating nausea was not in her head, but the solution to getting rid of it did not exist in manipulating her body. She had to deal with her repressed emotions that were making her super sick. And once she did, you'll hear what happens.

So one thing I'll add about Jess is although her practice is almost full, she is taking a handful of new clients. She's an incredible therapist. And I am not saying this to promote her. I am saying this because the first four or five people that find her who live in the proximity to Williamsburg, Brooklyn and can see her will be lucky, freaking people because not only is she an excellent therapist on her way to her PhD, which I don't even have.

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