And I think if you can get to a place where you're not identifying with the love or the mistreatment,

you're just like, here's who I am. Here's the intention, the motivation that I know I'm acting on,

and that I know that's coming from a good place. And so whether they're saying,

Jay, you're amazing, or they're saying, Jay, you're awful, you're screwing this up, you suck.

You're just like, I'm going to do what I have to do as long as I'm able to do it.

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world.

Thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow.

Now today's guest is someone that I've interviewed not once, not twice, not three times.

But this is the fourth time we're sitting down together. The first time was at Huff Post back in

like 2016 when I was just starting a lot of my online work. Then we did a Nasdaq reads probably

around 2017, maybe 2018. And then I got to sit down with him on the podcast. You've already

loved him on the show just last year. I think it was just before the pandemic. And then now we are

having our fourth ever interview. I'm talking about the one and only Ryan Holiday. Ryan Holiday is

one of the world's best selling living philosophers. His books like The Obstacle is the Way, Ego is

the Enemy, The Daily Stoic have all reached number one New York Times best seller status. And

stillness is the key appears in more than 40 languages. And all of his books have sold more than

four million copies together. They've spent over 300 weeks, 300 weeks on the best seller lists.

He lives outside Austin with his wife and two boys and a small herd of cows and donkeys and goats.

And he also opened up his own bookstore, which I love, The Painted Porch and sits on the historic

Main Street in Bastrop, Texas. And his new book The Courage is Calling Already in New York Times

Best Seller. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend that you go and grab it. Ryan, like you did

for so many others, you opened up our minds and lives to the teachings of the Stoics, which I am

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