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Visit sumup.com.com.com to learn more. This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague Cliff May,

founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies,

about energy, the energy superpower that is the U.S.

and the energy abuser that is China,

the People's Republic of China, produces energy from from coal and it's soft coal, it's dirty

coal. Not much mentioned. They use this coal to produce EVs and solar batteries and all the gizmos

that are necessary for an EV fleet. And that is recommended, often ignoring the fact that how they produced it is going

in the opposite direction, greenhouse gases. Here's Cliff to explain. China, greenhouse gases,

dominant. Because it weakens us, because we spend huge amounts of money on this because we don't

utilize the energy dominance we have in the world and we do.

And we ignore the fact and much of the media ignores the fact that, for example,

China is the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases. Why? Because it relies on what? Coal. Coal is way

worse if you're worried about emissions, carbon dioxide, but also other emissions, which are worse, I would say,

than natural gas, which is really a relatively clean source of energy.

And what you see in a lot of the media is they say, yes, but, you know, China is producing

critical elements for wind and solar energy, the hardware, the electric vehicle, supply chain,

they're all over it.

Look what the good. No, they're all over it. Look what the good.

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