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PREVIEW: FRANCE IN DEBT: Colleague Anatol Lieven of Quincy comments on the poor choices for Macron and France as the government falls next week. More.

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 2 minutes

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PREVIEW: FRANCE IN DEBT: Colleague Anatol Lieven of Quincy comments on the poor choices for Macron and France as the government falls next week. More.
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0:20.5

This is John Batchel,

0:22.1

conversation with colleague

0:23.3

Anatole Levin,

0:24.3

the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft,

0:26.9

about the quandary for France.

0:29.8

The government is expected to fall, and then what?

0:33.0

And why? And what does this have to do with Ukraine

0:36.2

or a European Union or promises made at NATO?

0:40.3

Is Anatol Levin to present a no-win situation for President Macron?

0:46.9

Unless, well, something might turn up. More of this tonight.

0:55.2

Macron can write things out because he is the president and, you know, there aren't

1:00.0

new presidential elections until 2027, but if he loses another prime minister, I mean,

1:06.3

he will be a complete lame duck, but also he will have no economic policy. And, you know, if you

1:13.4

can't make these cuts, how on earth is France going to be able to pay for these promises

1:21.2

of virtually doubling military expenditure in order to partly support Ukraine. It's just very difficult to see how this can

1:33.1

possibly work. But, as you say, at the moment, all the odds look as if the government will

1:41.9

fall next week and the French public and the majority of

1:45.9

Parliament will reject cuts to social welfare and other things. And then, you know, France will enter

1:53.3

another circle of fiscal and political hell.

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