meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The John Batchelor Show

PREVIEW: HEADLINE: Trump's Abnormal Attempt to Fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve GUEST NAME: Richard Epstein SUMMARY: Richard Epstein discusses the Trump administration bypassing normal legal process to fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve Board.

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Books, Arts, Society & Culture, News

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2025

⏱️ 3 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

PREVIEW:
HEADLINE: Trump's Abnormal Attempt to Fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve
GUEST NAME: Richard Epstein
SUMMARY: Richard Epstein discusses the Trump administration bypassing normal legal process to fire Lisa Cookfrom the Federal Reserve Board. This abnormal approach avoids establishing facts or cause.
1940

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Building a coffee business?

0:01.9

Serving the best Americano in town is up to you.

0:04.1

But winning back time and growing your business, leave that to sum-up. Take orders and payments anywhere with the new SumUp terminal. Turn occasional customers into regulars with a free loyalty program. And with the SumUp point-of-sale system, you'll always know when you're running low on your best-selling blends. Visit sumup.com.com. To learn more. This is John Batchel, conversation with colleague Richard Epstein at Civitas Institute,

0:25.8

teaches law at NYU and the University of Chicago, about the Trump administration going

0:31.7

directly to the Supreme Court after a federal district judge ruled that Mr. Trump does not have the authority, the power to fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve Board.

0:45.2

Richard speaks to the matter of ordinary process, regular order, going to the Supreme Court, and It leaves all the courts out in between,

0:55.4

leaves them out, leaves out the establishment of facts. And Richard says it doesn't even

1:00.4

acknowledge that Lisa Cook has a in court, gets to answer charges when they're brought.

1:08.3

There's Richard Epstein on the first, second, and third thing wrong

1:11.7

with thinking that the president can fire Lisa Cook without much more conduct, much more process.

1:21.6

More of this tonight.

1:23.5

No, it's not a process that's normal.

1:25.6

This is why it's Donald Trump's process.

1:34.3

Normal you have to go through an intermediate court, probably in the District of Columbia, in order to make this thing go. And the question is, who's the greater threat to the legal system?

1:38.3

The answer is it's not Lisa Cook.

1:40.3

She was an innocuous, not very visible member of the Federal Reserve Board. The idea

1:45.9

that her behavior, when she tended to vote management most of the time, was a threat to the

1:50.9

security of the United States, is absolutely absurd. I mean, maybe you don't like her politics. Maybe

1:56.9

you would not appoint her. Maybe you'd criticize her as a D.-E-I hire. All of that's okay.

2:01.7

But to have this kind of terrible hyperbole is, again, the same kind of thing that Donald Trump has done everywhere else.

2:08.9

You look at the original papers that he fired, and they were a little short of a scandal.

2:13.4

What he says, I'm firing you for cause and go.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from John Batchelor, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of John Batchelor and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.