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This is John Batchel, conversation with colleague Bud Weinstein, formerly of SMU, the McGuire Energy Institute as well, about baseload power.

That's the power that's always on.

Product of fossil fuels, product of coal, product of what we used to be.

Renewables do not answer.

Why is this important now? Because the demand for electricity

only grows for the balance of the century. Data centers demanding, Bitcoin demanding, people

moving around, whole communities needing more and more electricity.

Baseline, base load power is the way to guarantee it.

The wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine enough to back up the demands that are coming.

Here's Bud to explain.

And there is a what he calls a cautionary tale, Deutschland. Here's Bud. More of this tonight.

I hope not. I hope we're sensible about planning for our power future.

You're right. Germany just recorded a second consecutive recessionary year.

And you always think of Germany being this economic powerhouse,

but I think the problems with the German economy are largely attributable to the very, very high

cost of energy. And as you mentioned, a lot of that is due to the fact that they've shuttered

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