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This is John Batchel, a conversation with my colleague, Anatole Levin, the director of the Eurasia program at the Quincy Institute, about the ambition of Mr. Trump and Washington in conversation with Mr. Putin and Moscow, beyond Ukraine, arms control, detente,

something looking like the 1980s in the Reagan administration.

Anatole speculates here, but it's good,

based on the fact that Mr. Trump mentioned denuking

in his original true social posting

after the unhappy meeting with Mr. Zelensky in the Oval Office.

An arms control, a detain, something less than the fully armed world, nuclear powers, Beijing, Moscow, and Washington.

Here's Anatol. More of this later tonight.

Well, yes, I think it certainly is.

And I mean, what this also indicates, of course, is that Trump, in a way, sees himself as the new Reagan, you know, who is going to do a deal with Moscow, including, of course, a nuclear deal. Though, you know, in that case, it was Soviet withdrawal from Eastern Europe

that ended up being on the table. But, I mean, obviously, there would be huge, huge complexities

about this, especially if you bring in Beijing. And I don't think it will lead to countries

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