Welcome to The Spectator podcast. The world is adjusting to the news that Donald Trump has won the American presidential election.

He's been in to see Barack Obama. He's been on the phone to Theresa May. And we're waiting now to find out who his cabinet's going to be and what the future might have in store.

I'm Frayton and I'm joined by my colleague James Forsyth and by Tim Stanley in Washington.

So Tim, I imagine there's been huge disbelief in the Washington Press Corps.

Do you think people are beginning to work out what's happened yet or is it still a bit of a mystery?

There's both disbelief and disappointment.

On the night of the vote itself, I was in the Trump ballroom,

and it was very telling that while the Trump supporters were obviously overjoyed,

the members of the press looked astonished and flabbergasted.

And I spoke to one young journalist and I said,

what the hell has your country just done? And he replied, well, your country did it first. It's called

Brexit. There is a sense of shock, but people are starting to slowly go through the data. And I think

the conclusion that they are reaching is that Hillary Clinton simply couldn't

infuse the Democratic base enough in order to win.

The big story of this election is about motivation and turnout.

Donald Trump managed to turn out, enough Republicans just about to win.

Hillary Clinton lost several million Democrat voters who came out for Barack Obama

but didn't come out for her. So it really was an election that was won on negativity ratings.

And people were just about more apathetic about her than they were disgusted with him.

James, I remember a quote from the Clinton campaign saying, as soon as I hear

a candidate talking about energizing his base, that's a campaign that's going down the toilet.

Now, that rule has been jettisoned, as has much of the centrist politics of the last 15, 20 years.

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