Hello and welcome to the Spectator podcast. I'm Laura Prendergast and on this week's episode

we'll be talking to Rod Liddle and Nick Cohen about Donald Trump. We'll also be speaking to

to Ernie Matthews about how Trump's election went down in Moscow and we'll also be speaking to

Ariane Chorin and Cosmeylandersman about dating apps and whether they're

ruining your chance at love. So in this week's cover, Rod Liddles says that Donald Trump doesn't

represent a freak, in fact he represents the new normal and a swing away from political correctness.

O'Crantra says Nick Cohen, who says that Trump is in fact an aborician and the right need to

realise this. They both join me now.

So Rod, presumably you're quite delighted by this result, but what is it particular that you find

uplifting about Donald Trump's new presidency? I don't think Donald Trump is the originator of any of this.

I think he's come along rather late in the day, but nonetheless has crystallised a certain view,

which is socially conservative, patriotic and economically, very, very un, let's say liberal in the classical sense,

in terms of protectionism, in terms of looking after the lowest paid workers' jobs, if he means that,

which, of course, we will have to wait to see. And when I say, I think that's the new

normal. That was the sort of feeling you got from Brexit. It's certainly the sort of feeling which

is growing in Europe with the growth of both far left and far right populist parties, as people

call them far left or far right. I wouldn't necessarily go along with that and that it seems to be that the

liberal the liberal view of the world with its identity politics with its control although not

hegemony over the population is waning that's what I would say is the new is is the new normal that stuff

is going and going quite rapidly and Nick do you think it's fair to say that the liberal view is disappearing?

Well, it depends how you define liberalism.

Identity politics isn't liberal.

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