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PRC: MILITARY-CIVIL SCHOLARS STUDY THE US GRID TO WHAT END? JACK BURNHAM, FDD

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🗓️ 1 July 2025

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PRC: MILITARY-CIVIL SCHOLARS STUDY THE US GRID TO WHAT END? JACK BURNHAM, FDD

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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel.

0:06.9

I welcome Jack Burnham of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

0:11.6

Make revelations about the bad actors in the People's Republic of China that are hard to believe.

0:17.6

You can't make this stuff up, which is why novels only begin to tell the story of

0:23.7

malevolence in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. Jack is a research analyst of the China

0:29.5

program at FD. Jack, what was Volt Typhoon 24 identified by the FBI? What was it? What was its mission? What did it do?

0:39.4

Good evening to you. Thank you for having me. Voltaifoon is one of several recent Chinese

0:46.4

cyber campaigns against the United States. There were several others, assault typhoon, which

0:52.9

targeted telecommunications, and Flax Typhoon, which targeted telecommunications, and Flax

0:54.8

Typhoon, which targeted computer systems connecting the mainland United States to Taiwan.

1:00.5

Vault Typhoon, however, was perhaps the most concerning.

1:02.9

I think it's best described perhaps as akin to strapping dynamite or C4 explosives around

1:09.0

U.S. critical infrastructure.

1:13.1

This was a intensely targeted cyber campaign run by the CCP that aimed at exploiting vulnerabilities within U.S. critical

1:19.5

infrastructure. So these include everything from water systems, telecommunications infrastructure,

1:26.1

electricity grids. And the reason for exploiting these things

1:30.4

is not simply for intellectual property theft or espionage as previous Chinese cyber campaigns

1:37.2

were designed to do, but rather to identify vulnerabilities for potential sabotage in U.S.

1:43.4

critical infrastructure.

1:47.0

Now, if we were talking about kinetic warfare, I would say that this operation was in the

1:53.3

hands of the targeteers picking out likely weaknesses. Is that appropriate for cyber crime

2:00.5

targeteers?

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