#OzWatch: CORVID & CANINE COGNITIVE CONVERGENCE. Jeremy Zakis, New South Wales. #FriendsofHistoryDebatingSociety
The John Batchelor Show
John Batchelor
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🗓️ 23 February 2025
⏱️ 8 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Baxter, the Friends of History Debating Society, and Mr. Zakis has a spoodle named Dallas, |
| 0:07.3 | who for weeks and weeks now has demonstrated his philanthropy, his affection, basically is warmth |
| 0:15.5 | towards a magpie family that is striking because magpies have a reputation of being |
| 0:20.7 | extremely hostile. |
| 0:23.1 | They are aggressive and they're territorial and it's been spring and then it turns summer. |
| 0:30.3 | And they come to the backyard every morning and Dallas is there and then they have a working |
| 0:35.2 | relationship, sharing food, sharing water, |
| 0:38.3 | leaving each other alone, worrying about each other. It's odd, odd story. So, I went looking |
| 0:45.4 | for an explanation for this bizarre behavior, and I think I've found one. Jeremy, I go to the |
| 0:52.2 | Financial Times pointing to an article in Science magazine. |
| 0:56.2 | The argument goes like this. Despite evidence that animals like octopuses are intelligent, |
| 1:01.6 | we humans tend to overlook the cognitive ability of other animals. But birds descended from flying |
| 1:08.9 | dinosaurs have also had the battle to survive, and the cognitive gap may be narrower than we assume. |
| 1:16.4 | Corvids, that's the family that magpies exist in, Corvids can count, fashion, and use tools and engage in social play. |
| 1:27.9 | Parrots can mimic language and even learn the meaning of words. |
| 1:32.0 | Nutcrackers can cache thousands of morsels, retrieving them later when food is scarce. |
| 1:37.9 | A mighty feat of spatial memory. |
| 1:41.3 | That some of us still throw the term bird brain around as a barb, points to poor |
| 1:46.1 | cognition in our own species. What we have here is a study that suggests that corvids among all the |
| 1:54.3 | birds are the top and that they have come by a route completely different than the one we did as mammals to cognition. |
| 2:05.3 | Dallas is a mammal. |
| 2:07.2 | And I note engage in social play. |
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