Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

This is Mark Devere.

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in this work. Today we have a special guest, a friend of mine, a friend who I've known since

early teens. Maybe. When were you at Heritage?

2012 and 2013. You wrote an article on same-sex marriage and several people from Heritage wanted to bring

you in to have a conversation about it.

And that's where we first met.

The voice you're hearing is Andrew Walker, who is the associate professor for Christian

ethics and public theology, as well as an associate dean of the School of Theology, and the named

to be Dean of School of Theology as of April or August 1st. Also the director for the Carl

F.H. Henry Institute for Evangelical Engagement. A most recent book, Faithful Reason, Natural

Law Ethics for God's Glory and Our Good, but also the author going back, and this is a version, as I understand it, Andrew, of your dissertation and in the topic of our conversation today, liberty for all, defending everyone's religious freedom in a pluralistic age with Brazos from 2021.

Do you still agree with everything in that book?

That's a great first question.

Times have changed since 2021.

That's a good question.

I would like to go back and probably need to go back and read everything I wrote there.

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