Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

This is Mark Never.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks, Pastors Talk.

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Glory of God.

No.

But we could change it to that, but right now just forward slash talk.

You know, sometimes pastors talk, we talk to pastors of huge churches like Jimmy Scroggins.

Yeah, that was a fun episode.

Sometimes we talk to dead pastors like John Cotton.

Well, or experts on dead pastors, that's true.

I didn't mean to suggest necromancy, but I mean, we're just, yeah, we, we, thanks for

clarifying.

Other times, we talk to brothers who are trying to encourage new pastors around the world in difficult places

and they're meeting opposition and they've been super thoughtful about it.

And I think that's what you've got prepared for us today.

And we have just such a guest today with us. Matt Rhodes. Matt, thanks for being with us.

Thanks for the opportunity. Always enjoy the chance.

If you think you might have heard that name, you're like, wait, wait, wait, where did I hear

that name? You probably saw a copy of his book.

Another shortcut for success. Superb book.

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