On Raising Up Leaders Part 3 (Ep. 334)

Pastors Talk - A podcast by 9Marks

9Marks

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8 • 736 Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2026

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

In part three of their series on raising up leaders, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever work through nine practical principles Mark uses to identify and develop future pastors — from spotting qualified men and extending trust early, to delegating well, cultivating feedback loops, embracing a healthy view of authority, and modeling clarity and humility. Along the way they discuss why spending time with a few people often matters more than chasing a platform, and why a senior pastor who always wins the vote is quietly undermining his own eldership.

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0:00.0	Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.
0:05.5	This is Mark Devere.
0:06.5	Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks, Pastors Talk.
0:09.9	When the PBS News Hour was the McNeil Lairer report.
0:12.7	Oh, yeah.
0:13.3	And you had McNeil in one place, Robert McNeil, and I think it was in New York,
0:17.8	and Jim Lairer in Washington.
0:19.8	And anyway.
0:39.3	Well, thanks for bringing that out. It's like Jonathan Lehman and Mark Devere. Here we are together. We're both in the same place. At the same table. Here it is. Learn more at 9marks.org if you want to learn about what we do and helping build healthy churches. Robin McNeil. Sorry. We're going to continue the conversation. This is part three of raising up leaders.
0:40.6	All right.
0:45.7	I want to think through nine things, nine words. You do that because you're president of nine marks?
0:48.0	You just do what you can to sort of highlight the word nine.
0:50.5	I think in terms of nine.
0:51.7	You know, you know the funny thing is?
0:53.2	A Trinity of Trinities.
0:55.5	Guess, ask me what my next book is.
0:57.2	What's your next book?
0:58.8	Seven marks.
1:00.0	No.
1:01.0	Of a man worth marrying.
1:02.5	No.
1:04.4	I got four daughters.
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