Let it out, let it out I heard.

Let it Out. My name is Katie. This week on the podcast, I talk to Athena. She's a former architect. She's a current author of the book Leaving with Love, which is about the decision to leave and subsequent personal growth that can happen as a result of big life transitions. She's a shaman. She's a mother of five.

She's really lovely.

And I'm excited to hear your thoughts on listening to our conversation.

I also want to tell you a little behind the scenes,

which is that I get a ton of emails from publicists. And some of them I get to respond to,

and I'm so grateful I've just been doing this for so long that I, every once in a while,

I get to have a real anomaly of, you know, getting to speak to people I, I wouldn't normally

know or get to speak to. And Athena't normally know or get to speak to, and

Athena is one of them. And Athena's publicist, Samantha, reached out to me, and Sam is so cool.

And we had the best conversation. There's another upcoming guest who you'll hear from that is another

client of Sam's. And I just am so grateful that I get to do

this and I get to meet people that I wouldn't normally get to have conversations with

and you who are listening it means so much to me and I'm excited for you to listen to this one.

If you want to sign up for the new newsletter that will have launched by the time you're listening to this and it's been a long time

coming, let it out list. Our substack, the link is in the show notes as well as where to find

Athena and her book and the article that I

read a passage from in this and much, much more. So thank you again and here's my conversation

with Athena.

Athena, I am so happy that that you're here. We've been chatting for a bit. How do you describe what you do to someone you've never met? Yeah, I love that. I actually had a

conversation with my new little cousin who's through partnership, through my partner, it's his family side.

And I met his cousin's daughter, who is nine years old.

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