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Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

Moral Ambition: Rutger Bregman on Building a Career That Makes a Difference

Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

LinkedIn

Careers, Business

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

We’ve been taught to chase fancy job titles and large salaries, but what if we aimed for moral ambition instead? In this week’s episode of Hello Monday, host Jessi Hempel sits down with historian and best-selling author Rutger Bregman to explore moral ambition: the idea that the core metric of a successful career should be the positive impact we have on the world. Rutger’s new book, Moral Ambition: How to Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference, calls on all of us to rethink what we’re really working for. If you’ve ever felt like there should be more to your job than climbing the ladder, this conversation is for you. Jessi and Rutger dive into: What moral ambition is—and why we need more of it Why “follow your passion” is the wrong advice How to shift from success-driven to service-driven work Why young professionals are funneled into finance and consulting The real-world heroes solving the world’s biggest problems How to build coalitions and collaborate for impact This episode is a call to action for anyone who wants to do good—and do it well. Join the conversation at Hello Monday Office Hours! We’ll be live on the LinkedIn News page this Wednesday at 3PM EST. Bring your questions and your curiosity; we’d love to hear what moral ambition looks like for you.

Transcript

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0:00.0

LinkedIn News.

0:06.0

We face enormous challenges as a species. Fifteen thousand kids die from easily preventable diseases every day. We've got the next pandemic around the corner. We've got the threat of nuclear war, climate change. The list goes on and on and on. And we need our smartest, our most ambitious, our most privileged people to be working in those challenges.

0:24.5

There's something liberating about the idea that you don't need to find the answers inside yourself,

0:29.7

but that you can just ask the world the question, okay, here I am, what can I do?

0:34.4

Like, where am I needed?

0:36.4

How can I contribute the most?

0:41.0

From the news team at LinkedIn, I'm Jesse Hempel, and this is Hello Monday.

0:45.8

It's our show about work on our own terms. I have a new term for you today. It's called

0:51.5

moral ambition, and I have a feeling you're going to want to adopt it

0:55.6

immediately to describe yourself. It's what transpires when we put our skills and our drive to work

1:02.6

in service of our conscience, to do work that matters. And maybe you're feeling like that's you.

1:08.9

You get to work every day on things that matter to you.

1:12.0

Well, you're lucky.

1:13.8

More likely, you are like most people, beaten down by the system, occasionally tired to the point of feeling burnt out.

1:23.1

Because here's the thing, our current work culture, our system, doesn't reward this way of thinking.

1:29.3

It doesn't reward moral ambition.

1:31.3

We're taught to pursue personal success, right?

1:34.3

To optimize for our title, our paycheck, to climb and climb and climb.

1:39.3

That's why the two most popular careers for students coming out of Harvard these days are finance, you know, banking, and consulting.

1:50.1

Now look, there is nothing wrong with those paths. Maybe that's your heart's desire.

1:56.2

But our guest today introduces a different way of thinking about the choices you're making.

2:01.3

This idea of moral ambition is the answer to the larger question of why.

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