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MIRACLE ENDS: 2/4: America Second: How America's Elites Are Making China Stronger, by Isaac Stone Fish @isaacstonefish.

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MIRACLE ENDS: 2/4: America Second: How America's Elites Are Making China Stronger, by Isaac Stone Fish @isaacstonefish.

Isaac Stone Fish @isaacstonefish. Founder and CEO of Strategy Risks; Washington Post Global Opinions contributing columnist; visiting Fellow, Atlantic Council; columnist on China risk at Barron's, fluent in Mandarin Chinese language.

https://www.amazon.com/America-Second-Americas-Elites-Stronger/dp/0525657703/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

In America Second, Isaac Stone Fish traces the evolution of the Party’s influence in America. He shows how America’s leaders initially welcomed China’s entry into the U.S. economy, believing that trade and engagement would lead to a more democratic China. And he explains how—although this belief has proven misguided--many of our businesspeople and politicians have become too dependent on China to challenge it

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0:00.0

This is CBS, I Am the World, I'm John Batsworth, Isaac Stonefish.

0:08.4

The new book is America's Second, how America's elites are making China stronger.

0:12.5

We've introduced the most important player in American culture and political life since

0:21.0

1971, Henry Kissinger.

0:23.0

He was there in July of 1971 to talk to Joe.

0:27.2

He's with us today, and God bless him.

0:30.0

However, in those intervening years until 1998, Tiananmen was a huge block, but I learned

0:36.1

from Isaac's book that the Bush administration and then the Clinton administration, two sides

0:42.3

of Tiananmen's catastrophe, were also agreeable to the Chinese Communist Party.

0:50.2

Let's begin with George H.W. Bush, what was his part in this romance between Beijing

0:55.8

and Washington?

0:58.3

Bush was an early representative to China before we had official relations.

1:03.4

He spent about a year there in the mid-70s and developed a relationship with Deng Xiaoping

1:09.5

who he seemed to admire quite greatly.

1:14.7

Bush played two roles in the US-China relationship that Barry mentioned in here.

1:21.5

Ben is how he steered the country when he was in office, which I think could have been

1:27.4

sterner to Beijing, but broadly speaking was quite reasonable.

1:31.8

But then following the path that Kissinger trell plays, after Bush left office, he became

1:37.8

a consultant, and some of his clients were US companies looking to do business in China,

1:44.8

and Beijing enjoyed the propaganda value of that of being able to say, look, Elder

1:50.6

Bush is a friend of China and be able to contrast the way that he spoke about China with

1:56.1

his son, George W. Bush, who is far more critical of Beijing, and it was a way to point out

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