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MIRACLE ENDS: 1/4: America Second: How America's Elites Are Making China Stronger, by Isaac Stone Fish @isaacstonefish.

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🗓️ 27 August 2023

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MIRACLE ENDS: 1/4: America Second: How America's Elites Are Making China Stronger, by Isaac Stone Fish @isaacstonefish.

Isaac Stone Fish @isaacstonefish. Founder and CEO of Strategy Risks; Washington Post Global Opinions contributing columnist; visiting Fellow, Atlantic Council; columnist on China risk at Barron's, fluent in Mandarin Chinese language.

https://www.amazon.com/America-Second-Americas-Elites-Stronger/dp/0525657703/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

In America Second, Isaac Stone Fish traces the evolution of the Party’s influence in America. He shows how America’s leaders initially welcomed China’s entry into the U.S. economy, believing that trade and engagement would lead to a more democratic China. And he explains how—although this belief has proven misguided--many of our businesspeople and politicians have become too dependent on China to challenge it

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This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.0

Here's John Bachelor.

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I welcome the author, Isaac Stonefish, the founder CEO of Strategy Risk.

0:17.0

But the book tells the story of Isaac's life since he was 17 years old.

0:22.0

America, second, how America's elites are making China stronger.

0:28.0

This is a journey through the conversation, the relationship, the entanglement of American VIPs,

0:37.0

political, corporate, cultural, since the contact between the Nixon administration and the Maoist regime of 1971 and 1972.

0:49.0

In this conversation, however, we will cover many decades where it is surprising how American opinion of China

0:57.0

continues to evolve so that today we can't actually say that it's fixed.

1:05.0

It keeps moving.

1:07.0

Isaac, congratulations and good evening.

1:10.0

We begin with a conversation you very carefully explicate in your book.

1:16.0

Between an unlikely China hand, Michael Eisner, then head of the Disney Corporation.

1:24.0

Worldwide, a major piece of American culture.

1:28.0

He's having a conversation with a man named Zhu in 1998, the premiere of China at the time under Zhang, the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.

1:41.0

The conversation turns on a movie made by Martin Scorsese, the super director, the pinnacle of Hollywood class.

1:51.0

The movie is entitled Condon, as I understand it because I've never seen it and now I know why.

1:58.0

I have the music. It's about Tibet.

2:02.0

What is the conversation to achieve?

2:05.0

What does Michael Eisner hope to present to the premiere of China that will make the situation for Disney and perhaps all of Hollywood better in China? Good evening.

2:17.0

Beijing had long been searching for a strategy to push back against Hollywood portrayals that it found critical.

2:26.0

And in 1997, when Hollywood studios released seven years into that red corner and coondoong three films that were not to Beijing's liking, they came up with a strategy that was in many ways brilliant where they would freeze out major studios.

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