This is a

this is CBS I on the world. I'm John Bessel with Bill Raggio, my colleague and co-host of the

FED and we're very pleased to have Caleb Weiss of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy

and the Ridgeway Foundation. He's in Africa. To help us on a story that has now become

non-transparent. Niger, Burkina Faso, and Mali, neighboring Francophone countries, have

left eco-was and have jettisoned the U.S. and other allied presences that was in the business of hunting the

jihadists both Al Qaeda's organization I believe it's day and I am they'll correct

me if I have this wrong and And Daesh in the area, ISIS in the area. And the question is, how are the regimes in place now dealing with both the Al-Qaeda and ISIS presence.

At the same time, we're told these regimes

are romancing or being romanced by both Beijing and Moscow. Caleb, I hope I've written enough of the first chapter of a Graham Green novel here for you.

Is there any generality that applies to all three states,

how are they functioning now that the US and its allies have gone and

they're left with the power of Russia, the money of China, and the threat of the

jihadists?

I mean, bottom-wide up front not good all three states are sort of really struggling

to contain the jihadis threat in many cases such as Mali and Burkina Faso.

They're struggling to contain it within their own borders and this means that the

Watoril states so Benin Togo, Ghana, Ivory Coast,

to Bets, Senegal, a little bit as well,

are now facing the threat of jihadism.

At the same time, violence is also emanating

from Burkina in Mali into Niger and exacerbating conflict there.

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