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everything secure. This is the Friends of History Debating Society live. I am Gaias and the

Roman Senate behind me, Cicero lecturing the Senate as to what a wicked character this

Catalina is. Catalina is sitting there slumped over saying, oh, what am I going to do about this?

Cicero talks and talks and talks.

I fancy the senators are all sitting there going there because another two hours of my life.

We have a great deal of information about Cicero denouncing Catalan.

The story 2,000 years ago was a scandal.

Here we are in the 21st century, and I'm joined by my dear friend and colleague Germanicus.

We are at the wine bar by the Thames, reflecting upon the week's events,

searching for analogies on our own time, 91 AD, and the first century of the Roman Empire,

searching for analogies to explain the peculiar nature of the American Republic, inheriting our empire building, just as they inherited

it, the British inherited it, it's Rome, Britain, America. That's the track we're following.

There were other instances, other iterations, but those three were following.

And the news of the week turns on the Roman ability to maintain an empire, a vast empire,

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