Hey, this is Michael Kaz, and on this podcast, I explore ways of living a more wholehearted and fulfilling life.

I believe in the saying that what is most personal is most universal. On this podcast, you will hear

personal stories of struggle and challenge and what I and my guests have learned from those

experiences. You will hear ideas and concepts that expand your mind on topics like personal

development, health, adventure, and sex and relationships. Above all, my intention is to bring a

depth of conversation and stories to connect more with my guest and with you.

Hey and welcome. Today I'm back with my wife, Adi Casu.

Adi is the founder of working against gravity, a nutrition coaching company that helps people

lose weight and body fat as well as just perform better. They also train other nutrition

coaches and help them start online businesses. And today, we're talking about

living life from a place of surrender. We are in the middle of listening to a lecture series with

that same name by a guy named Michael Singer. Michael Singer wrote The Untethered Soul and the Surrender

Experiment. And this lecture series has just had a really big impact on us.

And one of the things that Singer says in there is that this work is the only spiritual work

that really matters, the only personal development work that really matters.

And hearing the way he describes it, I believe it. And in this episode,

we talk about some specific ways that you can be more present in your life, that you can end

suffering and just get out of your head. So we riff on a number of topics and it was fun. So I hope you

enjoy. Welcome back to the show,

Adi. Hey, happy to be here. It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a very long time. Thank you for

joining us today if you're listening. Today we're talking about surrender. We're talking about it

because we both, I just finished this lecture series and Adia's in the middle of a lecture series by a guy named Michael Singer.

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