You know, I don't know if it's worth a, I mean, we could have a whole riff on never stop exploring because I do honestly joke about never stop exploring all the time. Like with Jay started the other day at the crag, I was like joking about never stop exploring. What do you mean? Why just joke that if I ever stop exploring, I'll get fired? Like I love going to new plays, doing new things, trying new ways, like, you know, even like small scale exploration within your backyard you know

even like trying a new trail to the crag things like that just like i see that all's exploration

and i do think that after 20 years of consistently joking about how i should always be exploring

i think it has made me more of an explorer you know it's like you make it until you make it

it's like i just keep saying don't stop exploring and then eventually you're like you know what i think i am more of an explorer. You know, it's like you make it until you make it. It's like, I just keep saying, don't stop exploring.

And then eventually you're like, you know what?

I think I am kind of an explorer.

Yeah.

I mean, I know what I love about like that sort of like curiosity, but like what works for you? Yeah, I mean, I think curiosity is exactly the word. I mean, I think that the idea, never stop exploring, gives you permission to ask questions about the world, to try new things nonstop, to like always be pushing in interesting ways. I just think that that's the best way to interact

with the world. If you want to start your exploration, go to the north base.com. That would be so funny

if you like, send in your resignation, I'm done exploring. Well, dude, eventually I'll get too

tired. I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to post something on dude, eventually I'll get too tired.

I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to post something on social.

Be like, after 25 good years, I'm tired of exploring.

Now I'm just going to sit on my sofa and watch Netflix.

Somehow I don't see that happening.

I think with guiding, you know, like my job is to make accessible the mountains.

And I've always tried to do it in a way that doesn't bring the mountain down to the person,

but brings the person up to the mountain.

Alex, I have a funny question.

We've talked about it in the past a little bit.

Like there is something about high altitude mountaineering and like the seven summits.

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