what I discovered is that my hope was actually falling apart because I like to run ahead of God

and anchor my hope in outcomes of my own imagination, rather than trusting God on a day-to-day basis

and letting the outcomes come and reminding myself, this is part of God's good answer,

even if it doesn't feel good to me right now.

Welcome back. This is a special day because I have my friend Lisa Turkhurst on the show. She is talking about her new book. I want to trust you, but I don't.

Who hasn't been in that situation? Who hasn't wanted to trust when we just don't feel like we can?

Here's the subtitle. Moving forward when you're skeptical of others, afraid of what God will allow and doubtful of your own discernment.

This message is so good.

It's so helpful.

Every time Lisa comes out with a new book, I'm always so excited to have her on the show and

for us to talk about this with you because the depth of her understanding, what she

has gone through, the way she gives handles to women to pick up a message and to carry

it with them is so powerful. You're going to get so much from this. And of course, Lisa is always a joy.

I'm so, so happy that you're here. Now, without further ado, here's my friend Lisa.

Lisa, here's my first question to you. How did writing, I want to trust you, but I don't change you? Because I know writing this book had to change you. Well, I think it did a couple of things for me, Allie. Number one, it made me face my trust issues with a little more intentionality. Sometimes I think we hear the word trust issues,

and it kind of sounds like a dirty word or like a bad diagnosis, you know. But the reality is I did

some research online, and the average American lies four times a day. Typically, the average male

American lies six times a day, and the average female American lies an average of two times a day.

So when you combine them, a lot of studies show it's like four times a day. So my point in giving

you those statistics is that

trust issues are everywhere. Skepticism, cynicism, they're at an all-time high. And so for me,

I knew that I was struggling with some of these things, but I think when I sat down to write about

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