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Hey everyone, I'm Andrea Ferretti and this is episode 35 of Yoga Land.

On today's episode I speak to Kelsey Crow.

Kelsey is the co-author of a new book called There is No Good Card for

this. What to Say and Do When Life is Scary Awful and Unfair to the people you love.

And Kelsey wrote the book with a designer Emily McDowell.

You're probably familiar with Emily's work or you've seen it even if you haven't connected it

with her name.

She's a well-known designer and she's really well known for her line of empathy cards that are really funny and spot on.

Kelsey and Emily are both cancer survivors and they both just generally have a wealth of experience in the empathy space and it comes through in the book.

It's an amazing book. I recommend it, highly recommended to anyone. You know, a few

episodes ago I spoke to Bo Forbes about empathy and we were really kind of talking about

empathic distress and how to take care of yourself when you over empathize.

And I do consider myself an empath, but even if you're an empath, sometimes you will turn away from difficult situations perhaps because you feel things a little

bit too deeply. So whether you consider yourself an empath or not, this book is a really handy, actionable

manual for helping you support people that are close to you and people in your community appropriately

and in a way that will obviously support them, but as Kelsey points out, will also bring you joy.

And that's a really big thing that she makes clear in the book,

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