Hey, everybody, welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. My guest this week is Joe Gray, the world champion mountain runner from

Colorado, Colorado, and one of the few African-American voices and athletes that we have in our

sport. Joe is an incredible athlete. He's had an amazing career. I followed him very closely since I fell into

this sport more than a decade ago, and he's still at the top of his game, having won the

World Mount Running Championship just last year in Patagonia. And as I mentioned, Joe is one of the

few African-American representatives that we have in the sport right now.

And he's a tremendous representative and a voice for diversity in our sport.

And he wrote an amazing article for Trail Runner, which was published a couple of days ago,

entitled No Change in Silence, where of course he is

confronting this problem of systemic racism and police brutality, which has been going on for

centuries and which we seem incapable of making real progress against.

Hopefully this moment in history that we're living through now together is our opportunity.

And I wanted to talk to Joe about that, what it's like to grow up as an African American man in the U.S., his relationship with law enforcement

throughout his life, how his parents taught him to approach life as an African-American man

and how he is, you know, leading by example for his own children as a father of two.

It was great to chat with Joe.

I regret that it's under these circumstances that we finally got to chat.

We did talk about his career and things at the end,

including that World Mountain Running Championship from last year.

And I, of course, try and prod him towards running some of the world famous ultramarathons,

as I think everybody does who talks to Joe.

We all try and sort of push him towards the longer races.

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