Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain sensing headband that helps you meditate and five-star app meditation studio.

I'm Patricia Carpus, your host along with my co-host this week, Muse co-founder, Ariel Garden.

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use the discount code Muse Stress Less for your Muse Headband at ChooseMuse.com. We're thinking of all of you

and wishing you the very best. Now on to today's

episode with Ariel. Hello everyone. Today my guest is the incredibly fascinating James Nestor.

He's the author of the amazing book, Breath, New Science of a Lost Art. James is a journalist who went on to a journey to fix his

own breathing, and in the process interviewed dozens of top pulmonologists, those are essentially

breathing doctors, pulmonauts, those are like astronauts, but of one's own breathing,

breathwork techniques, shamans, and more. And he performed a range of amazing experiments on himself.

He's here today to take us into an adventure, into our own lungs and blood vessels,

ensure the science of breathing, the why and how we breathe, and how doing it better can help

us with a range of life's problems. He'll also explain a few different breathing practices like Wim Hof and

holotropic and box breathing and how and when to use them so that we have a toolkit when the

need arises. So hello, James. It is an absolute pleasure to speak with you. Thanks so much for

having me. I am so happy to talk to today because I have to say I read your book,

Breath, and I read it like enthusiastically. I dove into it. It is so engaging. And then I bought

it for kind of everybody in my life who I can think of who needs to know how to breathe better,

which is kind of everyone. That's amazing. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for writing it. So I'm

excited to have you share your love of breathing with our audience. And perhaps we can start with

a little bit about your journey and how you got into wanting to discover the breath and what you

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