Hello, my friend, and welcome to another episode of Negotiate Anything.

Thanks for spending time with us today.

It's listeners like you in 181 different countries that have made Negotiate Anything the most popular negotiation and conflict resolution podcast in the world.

I'm your host, Kwame Christian.

I'm a business lawyer, mediator,

professor, and the director of the American Negotiation Institute. Before we get started,

I have two quick questions for you. Is negotiation a critical part of what you do? Do you need

to resolve conflict and persuade at work? If you answered yes to both of those questions,

visit our website to learn more

about our negotiation workshops. We've traveled the country working with professionals just like

you, and we'd love to have the opportunity to work with you too. Check out the link in the

description to learn more. Patrice, thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having me. This has

been a long time coming. Yes. Yeah. And

audience, we tried to do this interview a couple of months ago, but we ended up just chatting and

hanging out for about an hour and a half. So this is take two. We're actually doing it. So how would

you start off by telling us a little bit about yourself and what you do?

Well, a little bit about myself. I'm a fellow podcaster. My podcast is redefining wealth. And it was

born out of my desire to teach people that wealth is so much more than money and material possessions.

The 12th century definition of wealth is the condition of well-being.

So as a financial psychology nerd and someone who's really into behavioral finance,

I'm so, you know, I believe in the power of budgets, but I'm so much more committed to

helping people just change their behavior, their conversation, their mindset around

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