In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Maya Shanker from the podcast A Slight Change of Plans

to talk about how change happens, why she made a slight change of plans and how we as individuals can start thinking about our own changes.

Get excited because this is tiny leaps.

Big jump facing. Welcome to another episode of Tiny Leaps. Big changes, why share simple research-backed strategies you can use to get more out of your life.

My name is Greg Klunis and this was a fun conversation for me to have.

I don't do too many interviews on this show,

but every time I do, I somehow manage to find

the most amazing, inspiring, insightful, educated guests to bring on and honestly it's fun for me

I get to just sit down and speak to people so much smarter than me people who can

bring real knowledge to the

conversation and I just get to sit back and ask whatever is on my mind. It's honestly

a ton of fun and this episode is no different. This was such a blast of an interview to do. It might be one of my favorites to date. I sat down with Dr. Maya Shanker. She is currently the Senior Director of Behavioral Economics at Google.

And previously, she served as a Senior Advisor in the Obama White House, where she founded and

served as Chair of the White House's behavioral science team,

and as the first behavioral science advisor to the United Nations under Ban Ki-moon.

On her podcast, a slight change of plans, a production of Pushkin Industries, she aims to

hold intimate conversations that give an unvarnished look into how people navigate changes of all kinds and use that change to

ultimately grow. Maya uncovers little-known personal stories and reflections

from familiar names like Hillary Clinton, Tiffany Hattish, and Casey Musgraves,

and extraordinary stories from real life inspirations,

like a young cancer researcher in the throes of a stage 4 diagnosis,

and a black jazz musician who convinced hundreds of

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