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I am sitting with Barbara Cavavid from the Real Housewives of New York and author of Heels of Steel.

You nailed it.

Thank you. That's what we do here.

I have to tell you that so the reunion part three came out last night.

I've already watched it two and a half times.

So...

You poor thing. Why did you do that to yourself?

Well, I'll watch it like another 16 times too.

I watch the episodes over and over and over and over again.

And I don't know what that says about me.

Like, I feel like I don't retain it all the first time and I just need...

I like catch different things every time.

Do you secretly want to be a housewife?

Not at all.

Okay.

Do you secretly want to produce the show then?

This is my dream.

I was actually going to ask someone at Bravovis

because I am having a top five real housewife birthday party.

So I'm making all of my friends because none of my close friends watch the real housewives.

And it's become a problem in a lot of my friendships

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