Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome.

And in this space, we have conversations that very few people have.

I love nuance, but more than nuance.

I really like to think deeply about the conditions that we find ourselves in every day.

And this is what this space is all about. So come on in. Leave your judgment and your closed

bondedness at the door. Open your heart. Open your mind and come on in and challenge yourself

to think more broadly. So up next is my very kind of jumping in with two feet interview with Gloria

Steinem and Lema Bowie. And I was struggling with it. Smith told me, you only have 15 minutes.

And I was like, I only have 15 minutes with Gloria Steinem. And then I didn't know Lema Bowie, so I was like, how am I going to navigate this?

I really have a bunch of questions for Gloria Stitem because I'm struggling, if I'm being

honest.

So I jump right in.

I'm struggling with feminism.

I'm struggling with this notion that somehow women are in this together and they're out with your pussy hats

and you're outraged and all that but you did it again and i'm talking specifically about a certain

group of women who identify based on their lack of melanin and i'm i'm really tired and I'm angry about the betrayal of humanity.

Like, you betrayed humanity.

So I had, you know, okay, man, I'm like, so Gloria Stein and tell me what's wrong with your

women?

She was like, wait a minute, what?

But it was also to me, you know, to have an opportunity to speak with somebody who I've read about

Washington documentaries, et cetera, I don't know how history will view this period of time as

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