Welcome to Karen Hunter is awesome. I'm Karen Hunter and we are shattering labels moving forward. So I was

confronted with this term feminism. And I've been exploring it in this podcast. We've, of course,

talked about it. Chimamande Ngozi, I had a conversation about her book on feminism. And I got to

interview Gloria Steinem recently, who of course, in many eyes, is the mother of modern feminism.

But I struggle with that. I struggle with that term. I struggle with what it means.

And as a black woman in America, my entire life, feminism has never led me anywhere.

I just live it. So I had a discussion about it on my radio show, Karen Hunter's show on

Sirius XM Urban View Channel 126, where talking powers and becomes

action. And here's what I had to say. Right before the show, I did an interview with Gloria Steinem,

and she did a book with a woman, Nobel laureate, actually, Lema Bowie. They did a children's book

called Rise Girl Rise. And I was struggling

and vacillating between how to conduct this interview. Because on one hand, Gloria Steinem is iconic.

You know, she's known as, you know, this crusader or this activist. At the same time,

we're sitting in a condition right now in this country primarily because white

women have made a decision to white women to to to center their whiteness to give a damn about

the rest of us even as we're talking about this Epstein stuff Epstein could have done any of that

without the help of women white women who lured the girl,

not just Ghislaine Maxwell, no, a lot of lurers.

And from what I read, she did this willingly.

It wasn't like she was on drugs or coerced or, you know, under the threat of a gun.

Like the betrayal has always been there.

And I've been processing this because I've been one of these people that I've never

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