This is

the CBS On the World. I'm John Bachelor.

I welcome Cliff May, the founder and president of the Foundation for

Defensive Democracy is writing most recently at the Washington Times. founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy.

It's writing most recently at the Washington Times.

Hamas, what is Hamas?

Is it a gang?

Is it narco-terrorism?

Is it mass murder?

It's all of the above.

But Cliff identifies something that is extremely

challenging for now and for the future.

Hamas is an idea.

What is the idea? Cliff, a very good evening to you. The punchline

here is that Hamas is an idea of murder. Always murder. It is homicide incorporated. That is something that is evident

these last 11 months of the fighting in Gaza. Is that something that, say, Joseph

Burrell, at the United Nations or members of the European Parliament at Brussels or many

members too many at the Commons in the United Kingdom, Do they understand that its mass murder is Hamas

this idea? Good evening to you. Good evening to you. They don't appear to. People like Joseph

Perrell and he's by no means alone.

He says, you know Hamas is an idea and you can't kill an idea with bombs.

But he doesn't identify what that idea is.

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