But what Peter said about learning and growth made him a kinder person, I think that just again

brings us back to like, well, if that's the whole purpose is for us to be more like Jesus,

for us to become more kinder, then isn't it ultimately okay when we mess up?

Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley.

And I am Cynthia Winward.

And this is at last she said it.

We are women of faith discussing complicated things.

And the title of today's episode is, What About Sin?

Let's talk about sin, Cynthia. That sounds fun. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay.

Yay. What, what, what. Exactly. I know. I know. I was trying to think of a more clever

title. I noticed you didn't think of a more clever title either. So we're

just like saying it is, saying what it is. It is what it is. And we're talking about

soon today. Yes, exactly. Sorry about that, listeners. We're just jumping right in with how

icky the topic could be. But I do think in a season where our theme is big ideas, I'm glad that we're

tackling this topic actually. Like, I really can't think of a topic that's bigger for Latter-day Saints.

I mean, in Christianity generally. I mean, sin is pretty big, right? Sin is pretty big.

You're right. And we are no different because we interview children, we interview youth and adults

to assess our worthiness all throughout our lives, all throughout our lives. And so, and if you're in

one of those interviews and it happens to dredge up some sins, we have consequences for those

sins, all the way from like not allowing someone to take the sacrament to holding a meeting

where that sinners membership can be revoked. And I don't care

if we call it membership withdrawal now, instead of calling it excommunication, both are very

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