I don't know, though. I'm still doubtful of that because I don't think that we consider the

temple to be a place that lifts people who aren't quite there yet. I think we consider the temple

to be a place where you've already arrived at a certain level and you're maintaining a certain level.

I know a lot of leaders and members would probably argue with me on that. They feel like they're very much getting, you know, lifted and continuing

to progress at the temple. Okay, whatever. But if we draw lines around temple worship, and we do,

we draw very specific lines around it, and they leave out those among us who are operating from

desire or willingness, but lack of certainty,

right?

Aren't we specifically leaving out the man from the scripture story who sought the blessing

for his son?

Like he is not getting a temple recommend, I don't think, the way things are in the modern

church.

Hi, I'm Cynthia Winward.

And I'm Susan Hinkley.

And this is at last she said it.

We are women of faith discussing complicated things.

And the title of today's episode is Big Ideas Belief.

Welcome back, Susan. I'm so excited, Cynthia. I'm excited to be back. It's been a minute.

Yep, it has. Well, let's go ahead as we begin season 11 to talk about our theme. We kind of

introduced it a little bit for our last episode of season 10, but we wanted to talk about big ideas this season. So is this

going to be a new franchise? Will it go past this season? We will see. But we've kind of had our

franchise of we don't believe our own stuff. But then you and I have been talking the last three or four months about

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