Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman.

This is Mark Devere.

And welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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Mark, just yesterday, I was out in Kansas City and doing a podcast with Jason Allen on his

podcast, preaching and preachersers and he wanted to talk about

hard conversations and it was an enjoyable conversation a helpful conversation I think but I just

thought I'm going to steal that idea and I figure I could pay for it by advertising jasons

preaching and preachers go check it out and now I'm going to steal that and say hey let's have a

conversation about hard conversations hopefully a little little easier than typical hard conversation.

Is this just going to take everything that you said in that one with Jason?

Well, no, this is the one where you're going to do, the more talking.

I want to know what you think about conversation.

How often would you say, as a pastor, you have a hard conversation?

Oh, in some sense every day. Okay. Give me a list of hard conversations.

Like, what are we talking about here?

A brother or sister has a problem that they feel deeply and they want help with and there's

nothing you can really do.

Okay.

What else?

Someone needs to be confronted over something they're doing that's unhelpful to others.

Yeah.

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