Hi, this is Jonathan Lehman. Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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And today I have with me a friend who I first met in Fort Worth, Texas, when he was serving as professor of history at Southwestern.

And now he serves as professor or associate professor of church history and philosophy

at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

And his name is John Wilsey.

It's great to be with you, Jonathan.

Thank you, brother.

And we just established, even though you're the professor of church history and philosophy,

you don't philosophize.

I don't philosophize, but I do like history of philosophy.

Well, you even wrote one book, or a condensed version, rather, an abridgment.

Yes.

Of a book of political philosophy democracy in america by

alexander tokeville yes what what is that well the democracy in america was uh i know what that is

but i mean what's what's the embrgement is it just a little project to pick up it's uh well as i was

about to say the original is 305,000 words,

and the abridgment is 150,000 words.

Oh, half.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

You've done a lot of studying of the Togfeld.

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