Welcome to the Bear Marriage Podcast, I'm Sheila Ray Gregoire from Bear Marriage.com, where like to talk about healthy evidence-based biblical advice for your sex life and your marriage.

And I have an amazing interview coming up with Lauren Rose from Call to Peace Ministries and you know what I've done these

interviews in the past of women's stories who were in abusive marriages and

then they found freedom in Christ and they just underwent so many horrible things, especially with the gothor cult.

People have really resonated.

There's some of my most listened to podcasts and you are going to want to listen to this interview.

It is just awesome.

So I'm so pleased she could join us. But before we get to her, I need to talk about something

that's been going on since our podcast two weeks ago. So two weeks ago, Jay Stringer and I were analyzing a clip from a sermon that Megach

Pastor Josh Howerton gave. Josh Howerton is the senior pastor of Lake Point Church

in Rockwall, Texas near Dallas. It's an SBC church,

mega church with I believe seven sites. And he opened his a sermon back in February with a two minute anecdote which he framed as a golden

nugget of marriage advice which summarized the marriage night that they just

had in church and Jay Stringer and I talked about it. It was really problematic.

Howerton told women that on his wedding night, so on the husband's wedding night,

women were supposed to stand where he tells you to stand, where he tells you to wear and do what he tells you to do.

And Jay and I talked about why that was problematic as well as why other things that that

Howerton said was problematic. Well, I shared that clip on social media

and it went totally viral.

Seen by over 2 million people over all of my platforms.

It's been covered in the news on Salon.com

and the Dallas and Houston papers

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