See, now this is an episode I can get behind. I think, Eric, it's kind of become almost

passe in this hyper self-aware age that we live in, you know, bodybuilding, like, what's

that when you want to look good? As if people don't want to look maximally swole, you're lying

to yourself. And that is why in a way I feel, despite yes, I have a natural proclivity towards

the iron, strength training. I do enjoy natural proclivity towards the iron strength training.

I do enjoy it.

But it's kind of become more the cool thing, Eric, worth it.

I don't lift for aesthetics.

I live for performance.

I'm like, okay, yeah.

So when you do those bicep curls or where you do those lateral raises that aren't going to

help out your bench press, you're just doing that for functionality, right?

Right? We're both lying ourselves now. We're both in this group think lie. Okay,

cool. So to have someone that runs the, am I going to say best there? I don't want to say anything

that you would disagree with, but an extremely prominent natural bodybuilding organization,

the WMBF, Bob Bell, one of the trifecta to talk about

natural bodybuilding and talk about the organization and talk about the roots to talk about what

it actually means to be a natural bodybuilder. I learned a lot today. No, it was a really good

conversation. Yeah. So we had Bob Bell on, on like you said one of the trifecta of the

the current ownership of the wmbf i nbf um that has been growing tremendously just had its biggest

world championships back in 2019 with a true world championship with 70% international which is a pretty

awesome uh change and they've been,

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