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The Fitness Business Podcast with Erin Dimond and Jordan Dugger

EP | 699 - Why Passive Income Is Keeping You Broke (Do This Instead)

The Fitness Business Podcast with Erin Dimond and Jordan Dugger

Erin Dimond and Jordan Dugger

Fitness, Health & Fitness, Nutrition

4.9670 Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Pursing passive income sounds like a smart idea until you find out its bullshit especially in the beginning. We didn't start thinking about passive income until we were taking home 100k a month from our business and we were able to reach 100k take home months by investing in ourselves and increasing our active income streams. I'll explain why you shouldn't chase low tickets offers, what to do instead, and why your offer is your first step to success.

 

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(0:17) Passive Income Is Mostly Bullshit

(3:35) Hormozi's Value Equation

(5:10) Recently Came Back From A 20k Retreat

(7:44) Fixing Your Offer

(9:35) If You Need Help, This Is Our Jam

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You don't build passive income by chasing passive income strategy. You build it by mastering

0:04.9

active income first, then deploying that active income into assets that compound over time.

0:10.9

What up, y'all? Welcome back to the fitness business podcast. Jordan here, your co-host. I want to talk

0:14.9

to you today about why everybody is selling you this idea of passive income, right? Build a course,

0:20.1

set it and forget it, make money while you sleep, scale without effort. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's mostly bullshit. I'm going to tell you why that is and what actually works instead. Okay, in a recent masterclass that we host every four to six weeks, if you should, or if you are interested, you should definitely come to our next one.

0:53.3

It's not scheduled yet, but I'll let you know what it is. But anyways, a coach named Tiffany jumped on and she'd been personal training, teaching group fitness classes for years, and she had this wall full of certifications, really good at what she does, really good with clients. And she was burned out. Her body was breaking down. She's kind of on this hamster wheel of, you know, trading dollars for hours.

0:55.3

And she was terrified to transition online because she thought that if she lost her in-person clients,

0:58.0

she'd lose everything. And what really stuck out to me, she was like, I need to figure out how to make passive income. And I'm like, okay, but here's the problem. Passive income is a myth, okay? More specifically, it's something that you build after you've mastered high leverage

1:12.2

active income. And I'm going to show you exactly what that means. And the math behind why most

1:16.5

passive income schemes are just a distraction or it's a, it's just a scam. And the simpler

1:22.3

framework that we use, typically to help coaches go from $50 an hour to $1,000 an hour. Okay, so the first thing I want to talk about is this low ticket trap. So a myth is that you can just create a low ticket funnel and it works, right? For example, you build a $30 ebook, you build a $97 course, you set up a tripwire funnel, you get people in cheap, and then they eventually upsell into your high ticket program,

1:50.0

and it's simple. And it sounds great on paper, right? Recurring revenue, passive income, you can scale without sales calls. But the brutal math that nobody talks to you about is when we go to run ads for a low

1:55.0

ticket funnel, okay, because we have tested a lower ticket funnel and we are right now, but only because

1:59.9

our business is at multi, multi, multi million dollars a year, we have the team to be able to test something like this. But we've been trying to crack it ourselves and it's really hard. Like right now, I have to spend $100 in order to get somebody to spend $30, right? Let that sink in. $100 in ad spend to make $30. Not a great business model, right? But the idea is that you

2:19.4

then can upsell them into, for example, a $3,000 coaching program. Cool. But do you know what a good

2:25.0

upsell rate is, even for a really, really good marketer that has it dialed in? The funnels dialed in,

2:29.5

the emails, the text, the messaging, the positioning, it's one to three%. So to get one $3,000 sale, you need basically

2:38.4

100 people to buy the $30 thing first. So with $100 in ad spend for a $30 sale, that's $3,300 to $10,000

2:47.8

in ad spend to make $1,000 sale. So the math just doesn't work. And what's even

2:52.7

crazier, it sounds counterintuitive, but it's much harder to get somebody to buy something for $30

2:56.7

than it is to get somebody to buy something for $3K. And I know that sounds insane, but it's true.

3:02.2

The reason is when somebody pays you $30, you'd be shocked at the expectations that they have, right?

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