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Hello, hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Tiffany Han show. I am really, really excited to finally be bringing you this interview that I did with Marley Grace a few months ago. If you do not know Marley, Marley is a dancer and writer whose work focuses on the self-devotion, ritual, creativity, and art-making.

That is from Marley's official website. And I would also add truth-telling about how to

be in this world with integrity as yourself, while allowing creativity, allowing yourself to wander,

while also allowing yourself to hold the things that you find sacred as sacred.

Marley's practice is rooted in improvisation as a compositional form that takes shape and movement

videos, books,

quilting online courses, and hosting artists.

Marley's Instagram Dance Project Personal Practice has been featured in the New York Times,

Dance Magazine, Vanity Fair, the Huffington Post, and more.

I invited Marley on to talk about their book, Getting to Center, Pathways to Finding

Yourself Within the Great Unknown. And we talked about that. We talked about the both andness of

getting to center, never being in center, life always wanting to pull you out of center.

What does that mean to live in that way?

And we also sidetracked into a whole conversation about quitting social media and setting up

a lot of really strict social media boundaries. And Marley and I also share sobriety with each other as

things we have in common. So the conversation

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