Dry-Aged vs. Wet-Aged Steak, "The Secret," and the American Chef Pantheon With Bill Simmons

The Dave Chang Show

The Ringer

Food, Society & Culture, Arts

4.8 • 8.7K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Dave is joined by the Podfather himself, the founder and CEO of The Ringer, Bill Simmons. Dave makes steaks that challenge Bill's wet-aged vs. dry-aged opinions, and then they discuss his "secret to basketball," which applies to much more than just sports—and explains Bill's unique ability to find and foster talent, as well as predict future trends. They finish with a discussion of the top five American chefs in history and a MOIF about whether or not a movie director can be considered great if they've never filmed food. P.S.: The Dave Chang Show is now on Netflix! Check out The Bill Simmons Podcast: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/the-bill-simmons-podcast Check out The Rewatchables: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/the-rewatchables Check out The Ringer: https://www.theringer.com/ Learn more about Antico Nuovo: https://www.anticonuovo-la.com/ Learn more about Craft: https://www.craftrestaurant.com/ Learn more about 'The French Laundry Cookbook': https://amzn.to/3NNz2NA Learn more about Café Boulud: https://cafeboulud.com/nyc/ Check out 'Dinner Time Live': https://www.netflix.com/title/81748864 Learn more about Chi Spacca: https://www.chispacca.com/ Learn more about Super Peach: https://www.momofuku.com/restaurants/super-peach Learn more about Primanti Bros.: https://primantibros.com/ Learn more about Philippe's: https://philippes.com/ Get a copy of 'The Book of Basketball': https://amzn.to/3NDi70e Learn more about the Brainrot app: https://thebrainrotapp.com/ Learn more about Bianco: https://www.pizzeriabianco.com/ Learn more about BCD Tofu House: https://www.bcdtofuhouse.com/ Read Bill's Streep column: https://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3965213 Learn more about Commander's Palace: https://www.commanderspalace.com/ Get Bill's favorite Momofuku sweet and spicy sauce: https://shop.momofuku.com/products/sweet-spicy-bbq-sauce?srsltid=AfmBOoqjxshHlzC47CjTyKZnkCzgkgGTscF5XkScOpgry3SpwHxN4vuu Learn more about Yang Chow: https://yangchow.com/ Check out Recipe Club: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/recipe-club Check us out at Majordomo: https://www.majordomo.com/ Host: Dave Chang Guest: Bill Simmons Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Additional Crew: Nikola Stanjevich, Dan McCoy, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian Editor: Jake Loskutoff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hear that? It's your big McDonald's hunger calling.
0:03.0	Because the Big Arch is back.
0:05.0	And this time it's here to stay with juicy beef, cheddar cheese and that Big Arch sauce.
0:10.0	Hungry? You are now.
0:11.0	Order delivery on the McDonald's app.
0:15.0	Serve from 11am. Upcharges and fees apply to delivery orders.
0:18.0	Subjects availability, price and participation may vary.
0:20.0	Getting instant insights is amazing.
0:22.9	But if there are too many data points,
0:24.9	it can be hard to see what works.
0:27.5	So I'll ask my AI assistant for recommendation.
0:31.2	And with PDF spaces in Acrobat Studio,
0:34.1	it's easy to remix documents and transform insights into standout content so you can go
0:39.7	from idea to creation in record time, all within an AI-powered workflow. Do that with Acrobat. Learn more
0:47.4	and try it out on Adobe.com. All right guys, Bill Simmons, he's on the pod.
0:59.0	He's right over there.
1:00.0	We're going to make him eat dry-age beef, something that he patently hates.
1:05.0	But today, I think, we changed his mind.
1:08.0	And we're going to talk a little about his book of basketball, a little bit about Bill's sort of secret of success and just figuring out...
1:15.6	Chef Pantheon?
1:16.6	Chef Pantheon. And we're going to talk movies and TV and recipe club. So stay tuned. All right, everybody.
1:31.7	Welcome to Netflix, by the way.
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