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Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from Muse, the brain sensing headband helps you meditate, and five-star app meditation studio.

I'm your host, Patricia Carvis. I'm really excited about today's guest, Dr. Ron Siegel,

and what he has to say about pain. Ron, a psychologist and author, has been an assistant professor

of psychology at Harvard Medical School for over 35 years.

He's a longtime student and teacher of mindfulness meditation with a special emphasis on chronic pain.

In fact, he created the recent meditation studio course called Transforming Pain.

He's written and edited several books on the topic where he

integrates mindfulness practices, aggressive rehabilitation, and mind-body approaches. In this interview,

he describes the difference between primary and secondary pain, how to break the chronic pain cycle,

and how we can develop our capacity to be with

pain. He is quite a force. You can also see Ron, along with me and journalist and filmmaker

Shannon Harvey, live this Friday, May 21st at 4 p.m. Eastern Time. If you're at all curious about brain health,

Mews is presenting this live Zoom event for all to join. I'll be chatting with Ron and Shannon about

the ways meditation and mindfulness can transform our brain health and our overall well-being.

Find out more and sign up at choosemuse.com slash brain health. I would love to see you there.

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