When I was dieting, you know, I was literally trying to make my body go away.

And why would I have wanted to dwell in it when I wanted it to go away?

I had to stop that project of shrinking and refining and changing before I was willing to just go sit in that space.

It's like if your entire house is under renovation, how are you going to sit in there? Let It Out.

Let It Out.

I'm your host, Katie Dielbout.

This week is part two of my episode with Savala.

If you haven't listened to the last week's episode, you might want to go back for some

context about what we're going to be talking about.

But this part of the conversation,

part two, our two is where it really comes alive. If you listen to this show, it's long.

Sometimes I break it up in two parts. Sometimes I don't. But I think after about 45 minutes,

we can forget we're recording and we really get to a place where we're just people having a conversation.

We get a little bit looser. And in part one of our conversation, we cover Savala's writing process.

We start to dig into the first essay in her new book, which is about relationships, dating white guys while me.

And through our conversation, we cover why

talking specifically allows us to relate. We talk about dating and connection and intimacy and

race and feeling on the outside and so much more. I love Savala so much. You might remember

that we met in 2019 during our episode of the podcast.

We've kept in touch over these last couple years and she's one of my favorite people to have a

conversation with, which is why this is long and broken up into two parts. She's also one of the

most impressive people I know. She's a writer, a teacher, a mom, a social

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