The craving to be chosen and to be love is universal, right, and incredibly strong, you know, throughout our lives.

Oh. Let it out.

Let it Out.

I'm your host, Katie Delbow.

This week, back on the podcast, is my friend Savala.

You might remember her from our 2019 episode, which was really rich and vulnerable.

And I loved that conversation and meeting her.

So we kept in touch ever since.

And after today's long conversation, which you're about to hear, I remembered that she's

one of my favorite people to talk to, my favorite conversation partners.

And it was, in fact, so long that I'm breaking it into two parts.

So today you'll be hearing part one of that conversation and a little bit about Savala. You can go back to the episode from 2019, which I'll

link to in the show notes to so you can learn a bit more about her. But for right now, I'll tell

you that she's a writer, a teacher, a social

justice attorney, and the executive director of the Center for Social Justice at UC Berkeley School

of Law. And get this, she has practiced law in San Francisco and was a law clerk in the Obama

Administration's office of White House counsel,

where she focused on constitutional law. And that comes up her time there a little bit in her

new book. She has this new book of essays. It's called Don't Let It Get You Down, and it has made

a tremendous impact on me. I love the book so much. We discuss it at length and specific

parts of these essays that really resonated with me. She's just such a tremendous writer. She's

written about race and gender and bodies and culture. And she's been featured in time and PR, Forbes.

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